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How LiveWire S2 DelMar Costs Lower Than LiveWire One

How can you make your Del Mar price significantly lower than your LiveWire One without significantly reducing your motorcycle? There seem to be multiple answers. (Morgan Gales /)

Design goals Delmar Was to create something attractive Electric bike At a significantly lower price than the original Great skill ($ 29,799) or its very similar alternative, LiveWire One$ 22,799.

The LiveWire One weighs 562 pounds, Del Mar’s goal is 435 pounds, and the weight ratio is 1.29. With a 200 lb rider, clothing, helmet, and some personal belongings on each bike, the weight ratio drops to 762 ➗ 635 = 1.2.

The LiveWire One is about $ 8 cheaper than the original LiveWire, but it didn't have a significant impact on sales. The cheaper Delmar is the next attempt.

The LiveWire One is about $ 8 cheaper than the original LiveWire, but it didn’t have a significant impact on sales. The cheaper Delmar is the next attempt. (Great skill /)

Based solely on city limits, Del Mar is 100 miles, LW One is 146 miles, and Del Mar’s battery packs 68% of LiveWire One’s 15.5kWh energy storage, or 0.68 x 15.5 = 10.5kWh. It looks like it is. But in reality, both bikes have a 200-pound rider, so Delmar’s total weight is only 80% of the LW One. Therefore, this may suggest that only 80% of the battery capacity originally calculated by Del Mar, or 0.8 x 10.5 kWh = 8.5 kWh, is needed.

Lithium-ion batteries are currently estimated at $ 132 per kWh, which is in the range of $ 1,122 to $ 1,386 compared to $ 2,046 for LW One’s large batteries. This can’t give us the price cuts we’re looking for, but it helps.

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Reducing battery capacity, and thus range, is an obvious way to reduce costs. Doing so on the road or on the spec sheet without moving the motorcycle is a subtle issue.

Reducing battery capacity, and thus range, is an obvious way to reduce costs. Doing so on the road or on the spec sheet without moving the motorcycle is a subtle issue. (Morgan Gales /)

When many riders made a rude ruckus at LiveWire’s $ 29,799 price tag, HD apparently made some rethinks and announced the LW One for $ 21,999 in July 2021. This is a price cut of about 26%. It can be inferred that this price cut was a product that offered HD at almost cost for survival.

This time Del Mar will appear. The first 100 pieces will sell for $ 17,699, and subsequent production will have a base price of $ 15,000. How do you achieve an additional $ 5,100 reduction from $ 22,799 in 2022 by 22.4%? The easiest way to reduce costs is to assume the cost of the machine multiplied by $ 1 per pound and reduce the weight.

In 1965, the machine was £ 1 and $ 1. The Cadillac weighed 4,500 pounds and cost $ 4,500. The bridgeport milling machine cost $ 1,650 and weighed 1,650 pounds.

Time has changed! LW One costs £ 562, so it costs $ 40.57 per pound. If the manufacturer meets Delmar’s £ 435 target, it should be 435 x $ 40.57 = $ 17,646.91 at that price. This is close to the price of the Delmar Limited Edition, where the first 100 motorcycles were produced. But to reach the $ 15,000 base, you need to find other cuts.

Lithium-ion batteries make up the majority of the price of electric vehicles, so we will try to reduce weight and allow smaller and cheaper batteries, motors and power supplies to manage proper performance. We accept that less powerful motors cut the top speed from LW One’s claimed 110mph to Del Mar’s 96. Looking for other cost cutters, we waive LWOne’s vertical Revelation electric motors and their expensive but pleasing sounding rights-an angle gear drive with gear cases, high speed bearings, and seals. Next, mount the motor shaft laterally and drive directly from the motor shaft to the rear wheels with a toothed belt.

Similarly, simplifying the powertrain is a balance between coastal considerations and rider expectations.

Similarly, simplifying the powertrain is a balance between coastal considerations and rider expectations. (Morgan Gales /)

You can save even more by using a single brake disc and caliper on the front instead of the LW One’s twin discs.

The LW One has a complete suite of electronics expected to be found on premium motorcycles. Does Delmar carry the same package or cheaper? We look forward to your official response.

Earn future savings by creating a “platform” created by integrating your own motor, its power supply, and its “structural battery” into the general purpose unit that will be the basis of some future models. (S3 is in the design stage), just as manufacturers are using versatile parallel two-cylinder IC engines to power multiple models. Other steering heads or swingarms can be attached to this platform.

I don’t know the details of how the price difference was achieved, but I can see that the numbers are meaningful.

Another item removed from the LW One device list is DC fast charging. Del Mar can only be charged at Level 1 (110V / 15A) or Level 2 (standard electric dryer outlet-220V / 30A). LW One’s DC fast charging can charge 0-80% in 40 minutes and 0-100% in 1 hour.

No information is provided regarding the charging time of Del Mar, but an estimate is possible. The larger battery of LW One is charged from 0 to 100% in 11 hours at level 1, so the smaller battery of Del Mar (8.5 to 10.5 kWh) is 0 to 100% in 6 to 7-1 / 2 hours. Expected to be charged. ..

Charging time isn't always exciting, but it's another area where you're learning to combine cost convenience with user convenience.

Charging time isn’t always exciting, but it’s another area where you’re learning to combine cost convenience with user convenience. (Morgan Gales /)

There is also a top speed number. 96 mph for Delmar and 110 mph for LW One. The horsepower required to achieve a given speed is proportional to the cube of the speed. This shows that if Delmar achieves 96mph at 80hp, the LW One should reach 105mph. OK, it’s pretty close, but it doesn’t match.

In the long run, it can be argued that IC-driven bicycle production systems have existed long enough to stabilize at low costs. The same cannot be said for electric bicycles, so it will be reduced in the future by developing a production base that also applies to electric bicycles. Achieving an economy of this scale depends primarily on the number that can be sold.

The success or failure of such experiments provides insight into whether the concept of electric traction can be sold to mainstream motorcyclists.

LiveWire One / Del Mar Comparo

S2 Delmar LiveWire One
motor Not applicable Internal permanent magnet synchronization
Power 60 kW (80 hp) 78 kW (105 hp)
torque Not applicable 84 lb.-ft.
Infection; Infection Direct drive + toothed belt 90 ° gear + toothed belt
weight “Targeting 435 lbs of curb weight” £ 562
battery 21700 format cells, structural case 15.5kWh structural case
Tires, front / rear 19 inch Dunlop DT-1 120 / 70ZR-17 / 180 / 55ZR-17 Michelin Coacher Sports
Wheelbase Not applicable 58.7 inches
Rake & Trail Not applicable 24.5 ° / 4.3 inches
Range (city) 100 miles. 146 miles.
Range (combination of stop & go) Not applicable 95 miles.
Range (highway) Not applicable 70 miles.
DC fast charging? no yes
Charging, level 1 Not applicable 0-100% in 11 hours.
DC fast charging Not applicable 0-80% in 40 minutes, 0-100% in 60 minutes
price Basic $ 15,000, initial batch $ 17,699 $ 22,799
performance 0-60 or less in 3.5 seconds 0-60 in 3.0 seconds
Maximum speed 96 mph 110 mph

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